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Doesnt mean that they dont still instate communist policies which they do. Also dont go saying go reads some books to me Im well read. 

I like what your saying here. However what this jam it seems is arguing for is not to just add a skip button but to dismantle the whole game because it has some bad parts to it.

You're talking about colonialism. Not capitalism. America start as colonist we took over land which we did not own. This is not good but it is not capitalism. 

Thanks for being one of the more reasonable people here I find arguing rather tiring I will probably not check this account after this. But the reason I say these ideas are murderous is because I've read Solzhenitsyn and can see what the communist state has done and I dont ever want that to happen again. I believe we must look at history and realize that events are very likely to repeat if we arent very careful. Especially in todays society.   Have a good day.

Maybe its because they're communist. 

Im taking Marx's theory of communism. 

Its pretty obvious the system which you associate with killing the planet is the biggest combatant against its destruction. The us for example is 5% of the the carbon emissions. While the U,S government has put collective hundreds of billions against it. Now how are the other countries doing on this. Well the Ccp has done nothing about climate change while being one of the biggest emitters of it. Also the Climate has been changing for years and there's little to no evidence that supports the claims that climate change is destroying the environment. Deforestation is totally but guess what that's not happening in the U.S its happening to extremely poor countries who are willing to sell their forests for money. Because like ive been saying the poor do not care about the environment. If you want stop this maybe start with the poor. Watch this episode of Peterson's podcast  its with Bjorn Lomborg who runs one of the biggest environmental research groups. Completely self funded and is very much on the side of the environment and their lab cant find one ounce of proof of environmental destruction. Its not on the companies to fight climate change its on the government to put in policies which do. If you truly want to fight against these issues how about you take a shot and run for congress, or anything else maybe even go outside of your comfy home and pick up trash that would be start. Also no one is denying that companies putting profit over the environment is good. I would say burn Nestle to the ground if I could. However its on you to show me that communist systems would handle climate change better than capitalist systems do. However there arent examples of this being the case, because these systems dont care about the environment. The communists and poor are some of the biggest polluters. Im not blaming the poor either because its not their fault. However the communists its very well their damn fault. 

Im saying that it either leads to communism or dictatorships. Did you even bother to read the post. 

For one China owns private companys I admit they partake in capitalism with a communist strangle hold. Name 1 mid sized Chinese tech company and it is nearly always owned by the Ccp. You want to know why Cuba's gdp is so low maybe it has something to do with there economic and political systems. Also if you want to ask for any Puerto Rican games, you can join their discord and ask the developers. https://discord.io/PRGDev

Communist countrys can partake in capitalism. Still doesn't change the fact that  china's government is communist. Maybe it says something when the communists think capitalism is still a much better system. 

1 I think its pretty easy to see that communism causes death if you cant get past that basic premise I dont know why you would think trying to tear down a system is a good idea. 

2 I wanted to hopefully have some people who are doing this because they simply are going along with the crowd realize that these ideas have caused only pain and suffering. 

3 If you're supposedly against capitalism you can start a commune and not partake in it. The Amish do it, there are many other groups who do but you dont want to because you dont actually believe in this ideas and still want the benefits of capitalism even if you wont say it. You can participate in communism in capitalist countries but you cant force others to like you want to. 

4 Game development would be no where near it is right now if there wasn't finical incentive.  You wouldn't be able to do game development as a hobby if your capitalist job didnt allow you the free time to do it. In a communist country you dont have that free time or technology. I've never seen a game come out of North Korea or Cuba.

5 I created this account to write this post because people are quiet frankly unhinged. I dont want people who believe in these crazed ideals having access to my main account.

So those links link to mostly conventions held about the atrocity's committed my communist country's which simply support the statics. They are simply sources, they arent there supporting my arguments. Because they're the most basic arguments I could possibly make. Also what does this forum not being a debate forum have to do with this. My point being is you guys are pushing ideas which have murdered  so many people. I dont know how you guys are supposedly game developers when as a game dev you make money by selling a game aka capitalism.  Its also kind of of weird that atleast 50% of the accounts I've checked out have been created in the last 2 weeks and have only done this jam.

1 If the system does not exist is it really a good idea to try to dismantle the current system.

2https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communism.asp#:~:text=Communism%20is%20a%20political%20and,is%20nonexistent%20or%20severely%20curtailed. Its both a economic and political system most system are. Also do you really think you can remove our economic system a quiet frankly laughable dumb idea without causing the political system to fall aswell. For example what if most people don't want to idiotically destroy one of the best systems ever created. Better send them to the gulags for not agreeing with the regimes plans ay. 

3 Give me 1 example where this has not happened. It happens atleast 95% of the time so is this really a good idea. Even if we both agree that pollution is the fault of capitalism even though it comes mostly from the Ccp a communist country. Still explain to me why this is a better alternative destroying the lives for millions over earth. Which isnt even true if you want to actually study statistics sure there is increasing carbon dioxide. But this does not correlate to a linear increase it about caps out at 3 - 4 degrees increase. Which I dont know why you are so insistent that all this is the fault of capitalism when capitalist country's produce the least and fight it the most. You wont get rid of pollution of any kind by dismantling a great system. 

4 I dont disagree I think toxic chemicals that harm environment should be banned that has nothing to do with economic or political systems. It simply does not there is no correlation. 

5 The rise of technology can directly be connected to capitalism because massive technological leaps for example the first commercially wide spread cpu was created because of competition between 2 companies for capital. 

6 Atleast come up with an idea because your like everyone in this jam you think capitalism is this big evil and someone else must have a better solution when that simply is not the case. Everyone can argue for what your arguing for and seem like someone who only cares about the environment and the poor . I do too and use to think the same until realizing and learning that this is a very unoriginal thought and has been tried hundreds if not thousands of times and only causes more suffering. If you truly care about the environment how about focus on helping it instead of destroying a system which is the only way it can recover. If you destroy capitalism today the world wont be fixed you will only destroy its defenders. There's this great quote dont know who it belongs to but it goes like this "The poor do not care about the environment" when you destroy this system it will only cause hard working people to become poor no one will care about the environment. How about creating rewards for company's for helping the environment. This is actually doable  and as in game design instead of punishing the user rewarding them more for doing something right.

I did but you seemingly cannot understand that this whole thing has been done before and always end the same.  I know what you think, you think we can create another system besides capitalism and communism. Well then firstly tell me what that system is. Next realize that this same exact thing has been tried and tried and only leads to communism because when dismantling a system it universally always creates a  power vacuum in which a dictator takes place. How entitled do you have to be to think that capitalism is this big evil while your living in all its riches. You can spend time arguing with a random dude online on technology which would be unthinkable even a hundred years ago.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinese-communist-party Didnt know being right was funny. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I do actually have examples of this idea you guys are pushing to dismantle the current system and replace it with something else whatever magical new system you've come up with. Take a look through just this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989. If you want to say dont trust wikis how about these aswell just so I can be sure. 

What you need to show me is that Capitalism sends society into chaos and fire. From what I've seen your type are the only people burning down citys in the name of a drug addict.

Your point being. You cant actually have a conversation because there is nothing to back up your ideas.

Like I said before the ideas which the system support have caused so many deaths I never claim the games do. Also in theory there are more than just 2 systems but in reality that is never how it works. I challenge to go through any books on general history and try and find 1 example where there is another system which isnt just a variation of communism or capitalism that has lasted. You wont because those are the most stable systems however one allows someone to move up the system based on competency while the other pushes everyone to the bottom except the few elite. 

For one I'm a card carrying conservative. Also those statistics came straight out of Cuban sources. Try to go to Cuba you cant because its a hell hole. Explain to me why so many cubans flee from Cuba via boat.

China is run by the Ccp the  Chinese Communist Party...

ideas which are intended to "Fight capitalism" which I can only reasonably interpret as wanting to dismantle the only system which has allowed people to move up finically based on competency. This only leads to communism which leads to murder ie your ideas are murderous. I never make the claim in the post that the games themselves are murderous the ideas are. How can you found your basis off the hatred of people that is sad.

126 million people died to communism in the Soviet Union.

148 million people died to communism in Mao's China.

2 million in Cambodia.

2 million in North Korea.

10 million from other sources.

your ideas are murderous if you know anything about basic history of communist regimes you would know they only cause death and suffering. If you want to argue that there are other systems look at history again. When attempting to dismantle a system which has only brought hard working people success (a competency hierarchy if you will). Will always create a power gap were in 2 things happen either a dictator takes hold and kills millions or you attempt to bring the Marxist dream and cause millions of deaths aswell. Your critiques of capitalism are illogical. If you want to say capitalism destroys the environment explain to me why the biggest emission source is communist China. Your other claims dont only apply to capitalism but are universal for every system. The data shows that people only start caring about the environment when they are wealthy, if your working the fields your whole life for the regime you don't care about the plastics in the ocean. Actual issues might I add which are being solved by capitilists. You can be a communist in a capitalist society but you cant be a capitalist in a communist society. How overly privilege and easy is your life to not look at the history and just blindly push the flag that has killed millions. Those aren't just numbers they are husbands, wives, daughters, and sons. I know I will be blasted because I am a voice which disagree with your beliefs. That is pathetic have a conversation and not just a virtual screaming match. I know why you do it though because this ideas are undefendable. The video game market exists because of capitalism. Do you know the life expectancy in North Korea. If you truly believe these ideas start a damn commune no one will care, but dont attempt to ruin millions of peoples lives because your uneducated. 

Sources if you cant be bothered to do some basic reading. 

• Council of Europe resolution 1481
• European Public Hearing on Crimes Committed by Totalitarian Regimes
• European Public Hearing on European Conscience and Crimes of Totalitarian Communism: 20 Years After
• Vilnius Declaration of the OSCE
• Black Ribbon Day
• Office for the Documentation and the Investigation of the Crimes of Communism
• Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes
• Institute of National Remembrance
• Institute for Information on the Crimes of Communism
• House of Terror Museum
• Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Records